What It's Like To Be You

What It's Like To Be You

Hosted by: Josh Lavine

Ever wonder what’s really going on in other people’s heads? The Enneagram knows. In these intimate conversations with people of different Enneagram types, we go past the facade of image management and...

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Kier on Being 358 Trifix: Hiddenness and Secrecy, Avoiding Introspection Through Constant Activity, and Not Giving Up on the Heart [SO/SP 3w2 358(267)]

Kier is a trial lawyer, dad, and frequent commenter on Enneagram discussion boards like the Enneagrammer Universe Facebook group. This is our second conversation — we didn’t publish the first one for reasons we...
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Emma Scott on Being a Type 6: "Resentful Accommodation," Making Things a Bigger Problem Than They Need To Be, and Getting Present in the Mental Center [SO/SP 6w7 612].

Emma is an Enneagram coach and mom, and she has her own podcast called There Are No Tangents. In this conversation, you get to see Emma model presence in the mental center as she incorporates a new insight about...
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Jamie Eichar on Being a 9: Being a Comforting Presence, Making Space For Yourself in Conversations, and Rebelling Against Pressure (SP/SO 9w1 963)

Jamie (SP/SO 9w1 963) is an gifted cinematographer, an aspiring therapist, and a good friend that I met in my first Enneagram class. He has committed to his inner work in extremely courageous ways and has great...
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Kaisa Jauhiainen on Being an SX 9: "I'm Either Hooked or Catatonic;" Erotic Releases of Anger; and Seeking Essential Harmony through the SX Instinct (SX/SO 9w8 935)

Kaisa is a psychology and neuroscience graduate student and Enneagram enthusiast with an exceptional ability to articulate her experience of SX 9-ness. Enjoy. My website: https://www.joshlavine.com/ The Interview on...
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Gray Cietek on Being an SO 3: Socially Tracking Others, Truly "Seeing" Others, and the Heart's Silent Communication Underneath Words (SO/SP 3w4 368)

Gray and I have similar typing, and in this episode we explore what social 3 is "really wanting," underneath the stereotypical social 3's polish and comportment. This conversation gets to the heart of the Social 3 in...
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Sam Leuenberger on Being a 7: The (Avoidant) "Fun" of Talk Therapy; Vulnerability as an Attraction Strategy; and Going Back to Feelings School (SP/SO 7w6 712)

Sam is an essayist and poet who recently discovered he is a 7, having mistyped as a 4 for years. Before this interview, Sam sent me his beautifully articulated thoughts on being a 7 -- a link to which is below. This...
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Joseph Stalteri on Being a 4: Frustration in the Heart Center, the Resting Attitude of Disdain, and Seeking Refined Social Intimacy (SO/SX 4w3 461)

Joseph Salteri is a Type 4 (SO/SX 4w3 461) and is part of the team that runs Enneagrammer.com. He wrote all of the (excellent) content on the Enneagrammer website, including the written typing test, and he is one of...
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Ikraam Ali on Being a 7: Procrastinating Darkness, Frustration with Negativity AS Negativity, and Giving an "Honest Try" at Positivity (SO/SX 7w6 793)

Ikraam Ali is a Type 7 (SO/SX 7w6 793) who works in local politics. She also has her own YouTube channel focused on Objective Personality System (OPS). This conversation challenged the stereotype of 7s as “positive”...
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Dr. Mary Bates on Being a Type 6: the 6’s Core Sense of Responsibility, the Practice of Making Deliberate Mistakes, and How to Know When to Stop Brushing the Dog (SP/SO 6w7 692)

Dr. Mary Bates is a Type 6 (SP/SO 6w7 692) primary care doctor, writer, and mother of 2. Mary discovered she is a 6 with the help of the Enneagrammer typing team after having mistyped as a 2 and a 9, the other two...
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Artist Jess on being a Type 5: Risking Exposure, the Symbolic Objects I Put Between Us, and the Terror of Mindless, Soul-Dead Zombie-People (SO/SP 5w6 538)

Jess is a Type 5 (SO/SP 5w6 538) writer and artist “based on the internet.” Like many 5s, she prefers her privacy and requested that I mention no signifiers of her identity beyond the above. She originally typed as a...
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Enneagram Teacher John Luckovich on Being a 4: the Inner Middle Finger, the Crushing Gloss of Artifice, and the Sourcing of Identity in Depth Itself (SX/SP 4w5 458)

John Luckovich is one of the most brilliant and authentic Enneagram teachers of my generation. His teaching is clear, challenging, thought-provoking, and comes from sincere desire to illuminate the psyche and...
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Kelsey Bishop (Founder of Candor) on Being a Type 3: Chasing "The Dream" vs "My Dream," Authenticity at Work, and Learning How to Rest

Kelsey Bishop is a Type 3 (SP/SO 3w4 386) whose shift from chasing "The Dream" to discovering her dream tangibly illustrates the 3's growth journey. She is the Founder of Candor, a new kind of professional network...
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