What It's Like To Be You

What It's Like To Be You

Hosted by: Josh Lavine

Ever wonder what’s really going on in other people’s heads? The Enneagram knows. In these intimate conversations with people of different Enneagram types, we go past the facade of image management and...

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Kaisa Jauhiainen on Being an SX 9: "I'm Either Hooked or Catatonic;" Erotic Releases of Anger; and Seeking Essential Harmony through the SX Instinct (SX/SO 9w8 935)

Kaisa is a psychology and neuroscience graduate student and Enneagram enthusiast with an exceptional ability to articulate her experience of SX 9-ness. Enjoy. My website: https://www.joshlavine.com/ The Interview on...
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Gray Cietek on Being an SO 3: Socially Tracking Others, Truly "Seeing" Others, and the Heart's Silent Communication Underneath Words (SO/SP 3w4 368)

Gray and I have similar typing, and in this episode we explore what social 3 is "really wanting," underneath the stereotypical social 3's polish and comportment. This conversation gets to the heart of the Social 3 in...
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Sam Leuenberger on Being a 7: The (Avoidant) "Fun" of Talk Therapy; Vulnerability as an Attraction Strategy; and Going Back to Feelings School (SP/SO 7w6 712)

Sam is an essayist and poet who recently discovered he is a 7, having mistyped as a 4 for years. Before this interview, Sam sent me his beautifully articulated thoughts on being a 7 -- a link to which is below. This...
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Joseph Stalteri on Being a 4: Frustration in the Heart Center, the Resting Attitude of Disdain, and Seeking Refined Social Intimacy (SO/SX 4w3 461)

Joseph Salteri is a Type 4 (SO/SX 4w3 461) and is part of the team that runs Enneagrammer.com. He wrote all of the (excellent) content on the Enneagrammer website, including the written typing test, and he is one of...
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Ikraam Ali on Being a 7: Procrastinating Darkness, Frustration with Negativity AS Negativity, and Giving an "Honest Try" at Positivity (SO/SX 7w6 793)

Ikraam Ali is a Type 7 (SO/SX 7w6 793) who works in local politics. She also has her own YouTube channel focused on Objective Personality System (OPS). This conversation challenged the stereotype of 7s as “positive”...
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Dr. Mary Bates on Being a Type 6: the 6’s Core Sense of Responsibility, the Practice of Making Deliberate Mistakes, and How to Know When to Stop Brushing the Dog (SP/SO 6w7 692)

Dr. Mary Bates is a Type 6 (SP/SO 6w7 692) primary care doctor, writer, and mother of 2. Mary discovered she is a 6 with the help of the Enneagrammer typing team after having mistyped as a 2 and a 9, the other two...
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Artist Jess on being a Type 5: Risking Exposure, the Symbolic Objects I Put Between Us, and the Terror of Mindless, Soul-Dead Zombie-People (SO/SP 5w6 538)

Jess is a Type 5 (SO/SP 5w6 538) writer and artist “based on the internet.” Like many 5s, she prefers her privacy and requested that I mention no signifiers of her identity beyond the above. She originally typed as a...
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Enneagram Teacher John Luckovich on Being a 4: the Inner Middle Finger, the Crushing Gloss of Artifice, and the Sourcing of Identity in Depth Itself (SX/SP 4w5 458)

John Luckovich is one of the most brilliant and authentic Enneagram teachers of my generation. His teaching is clear, challenging, thought-provoking, and comes from sincere desire to illuminate the psyche and...
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Kelsey Bishop (Founder of Candor) on Being a Type 3: Chasing "The Dream" vs "My Dream," Authenticity at Work, and Learning How to Rest

Kelsey Bishop is a Type 3 (SP/SO 3w4 386) whose shift from chasing "The Dream" to discovering her dream tangibly illustrates the 3's growth journey. She is the Founder of Candor, a new kind of professional network...
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Therapist Niklas Wilkens on Being a Type 2: the Inner Hope Machine, Power Tripping as "Super Jesus," and Seeing Through Ego Pride (SO/SP 2w3 269)

Niklas Wilkens is a humanistic depth psychologist practicing in Germany, and he’s been working with the Enneagram for 14 years, although only 2 years ago realized that he was an Enneagram 2. Niklas honestly blew me...
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Alex G on Being a Type 1: 1 as a Body Type, the Inner Tuning Fork, the Difficulty of Having Fun (SP/SX 1w9 135)

Alex G is an Enneagram Type 1 (SP/SX, 1w9, 135). She has excellent descriptions of her body experience as a 1, the grief underneath her 1-ish frustration, and the Essential quality of Integrity that her type structure...
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David Gray (Enneagram Expert) on Being a Type 9, Gathering Himself, & Online Combativeness (SP/SX 9w1 974)

David Gray is the most original voice in the Enneagram world today. His impressionistic, symbolic, elemental thinking style has produced utterly fresh insights about the Instincts, trifixation, typing processes, and...
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